Swing Left's Steve Pierce on Flipping the Senate in 2020
This week, host Benn Marine sits down with Steve Pierce, Southern California field director for Swing Left and co-host of the How We Win podcast. Steve shares his organizing origin story — from a post-2016-election house party that ballooned to 200 attendees, to leading Swing Left's SoCal chapter and eventually joining the national team.
The conversation covers Swing Left's 2020 priorities: holding the House, winning the White House, flipping the Senate, and fighting gerrymandering through state legislature races. Steve explains why Maine's Senate seat — held by Susan Collins — is one of the organization's top targets, and Benn shares a timely reminder for Maine listeners about the state's party-registration deadline ahead of the primary.
They also dig into Swing Left's letters-to-voters program with Vote Forward, which combines tested, socially-persuasive language with a handwritten personal touch to reach first-time and infrequent voters. Steve reflects on the emotional toll of the previous week's Senate impeachment vote, how the volunteer community responded with a surge of donations and sign-ups, and how he personally manages burnout — through family time, exercise, and staying focused on the actions within his control.
The episode closes with practical canvassing advice (skip the "do you have a minute?" ask — just dive into your first question) and a direct call to action: visit swingleft.org, enter your zip code, and find a way to get involved before November 3rd, 2020.
In this episode:
Steve's path from a 2016 house party to Swing Left field director
Swing Left's 2020 focus: House, Senate, White House, and gerrymandering
Why Maine's Susan Collins race is a top pickup opportunity
Maine primary voter-registration deadline reminder
How the Vote Forward letters-to-voters program works
Processing burnout after the Senate impeachment vote
Steve's self-care strategies: family, fitness, and community
Canvassing tip: don't ask permission, lead with your story
How to get involved at swingleft.org
SHOW NOTES
SWING LEFT – Head here to learn more about ways you can get involved to amplify your impact on the 2020 election cycle and the future of our democracy.
HOW WE WIN – A great podcast from the folks at Swing Left where you can hear more stories from organizer and activists around the country with great calls to action in every episode. Available wherever you listen to podcasts.
MAINE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS – Some great info translated into multiple languages on voting in Maine. In regard to the upcoming primary…
“Voters do not need to be enrolled in a party to vote in a general election, on any statewide ballot question, or in a municipal election. Voters must be enrolled in a party to vote in that party’s primary election or caucus.
Voters who have already registered but have not enrolled in a party may enroll in a party at the polls on Election Day. Any voter who wishes to change party enrollment must do so at least 15 days before they vote. For the March 3 Presidential Primary, that would be on or before Feb 14th.
A voter may change party enrollment at anytime after 3 months from the date on which the voter last enrolled.”
Maine Voter Registration Information – This is where you can learn more about voter registration here in the state of Maine from the state of Maine website.
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Benn Marine 0:09
Welcome to the Ocean of Organizing podcast, where we explore different ways of building community and creating change through organizing. This week I'm really excited to have Steve Pierce from Swing Left on the show. Swing Left helps folks find the most impactful ways of electing Democrats in the most important elections all across the United States. Their focus for 2020 is flipping the Senate, winning the White House, and tackling gerrymandering. And with that, let's dive on in. To kick us off, I'm curious what got you into organizing and how did you find your way to Swing Left?
Steve Pierce 0:55
Hmm, that's a great question. And thank you, by the way, for all the great work you're doing and for having me on your podcast. Um I got started, I consider myself class of November uh 2016. So I I had um volunteered on campaigns in the past. I I grew up in DC. I grew up in kind of a political family, um, but I'd I'd never really gotten involved in and like many um of us who um, you know, many of us who were really excited about Obama getting elected and kind of got lulled into a sense of complacency over eight years of the Obama uh presidency. Um I I wasn't doing a whole lot. And Trump was elected. I have a daughter who is now 17 years old, and we had her and a bunch of her friends over to watch the first female president get elected. Um that party didn't go well. Um and uh, you know, like many Americans, we were in a tailspin. Um and I had to do something. I couldn't uh I first of all I felt like I had to make up for lost time. Um and I also know that action's the best anecdote for anxiety. Um so I was looking for stuff to do. I I wasn't involved in the Democratic Party, so I didn't really know where to go. Um I reached out to the Democratic Party, I reached out to some campaigns, um, and Swing Left launched and uh, you know, really gave me the ability to organize in my own community and start a group. And um, so that sounded good. And also flipping the house, that's that really made sense as the next thing that we had to do. So I had a uh a house party. I didn't see when when I set up my house party, I didn't see that you could check the box to limit the um number of attendees. So um I ended up having 200 people sign up for this house party. Yeah, it was bananas. Um I moved it to a church down the street. Um I split people into subgroups and had different leaders, you know, doing this, and all of a sudden I was coordinating this huge group in Los Angeles, and people were calling me from like move-on groups and women's huddles saying, I, you know, I understand you're you're leading up swing left in Los Angeles. And I was kind of like, I am? Uh okay, sure, I'll do that. Um, you know, I just kept saying yes to stuff. And and what I found was this incredible community that I know you and your listeners are familiar with. If you've ever volunteered and been part of a campaign, uh, you just meet all of these amazing, diverse people who um have the same North Star that you do, that are working towards making our country better. Um, and I just never knew there were so many opportunities to take action and and really make a difference. So um that's that's how I got started. I I became uh Southern California field director for Swing Left. I then joined the national team uh using my background in production to help produce training stuff for Swing Left Academy. Um and uh now I produce and co-host uh the podcast, which uh is an opportunity for me to hear other people's origin stories and inspire people to get into action.
Benn Marine 4:13
That's so awesome. So you're really, I feel like, in a lot of ways, a um a product of Swing Left, right? Like that that the incredible platform that was built. It's it's awesome.
Steve Pierce 4:24
Well, what Swing Left did um really well was they they caught a lot of energy. And uh early on, uh, we were really building the plane as we were flying it, right? Um we had a few good tools, we had a really cool website, and um, and we were able to catch a lot of energy for people that just wanted to do something but didn't know what to do. So Swing Left was like, here, here's some stuff to do. You can organize it on your own, and really empowered these groups to self-organize. I mean, it was we're we were not alone doing that, of course. Indivisible did that, and Sister District and Flippable, who we're now partnered with, and all these great organizations were doing the same thing. And that was really important. Because like I said, I I sent a letter to some local campaigns, I sent a letter to California Democratic Party, didn't, you know, just I get I gotta dig these up because of the most naive letters. Like I sent something to the ACLU, you know, like I I'm not a lawyer, but how can I help, you know? Um, so it really it gave a lot of people uh a place to put that energy.
Benn Marine 5:27
That's awesome. Yeah, and and if you want, kind of tell folks a little bit about um swing left and kind of how it works. I know it's if you go to the site, it's uh swingleft.org, right? Like it kind of walks you through how you can just jump right into action.
Steve Pierce 5:41
Yeah, so um obviously we launched uh to flip um the House of Representatives and uh uh along with so many people and so many progressive partners, we did that. Thank God, thank God we did that. You know, um I know it's a disappointing day to um to get through the Senate acquittal here, which we knew it was coming, but it's still hard to see. But uh, you know, we wouldn't be anywhere near that if we hadn't taken the House back. So um now as we look uh at our elections in November, um we're focused on three main things. Well, four, really. We need to hold on to the House, of course. Um we want to take the White House, we want to win the presidency for a Democrat, of course. Um the Senate, I mean, i if we've learned anything from the last couple of weeks, it's really how important it is for us to take back the Senate. Um, they are so complicit, and not only are they complicit in everything that's happened, but they've really set the stake the table for Donald Trump and Trumpism to come uh and take power in our country. So there's a case to be made that the Senate is is even more important than taking back the presidency. And then we're also focused on local legislatures as they relate to gerrymandering. So we have uh a once-in-a-decade opportunity after the census um this year to draw fair maps if we can gain back those uh some of those legislatures. So when you do all that, it come you come up with certain states that have like two or three of those things uh in one state. So that's uh a voter that's going to be voting on two or three things on one ballot that's gonna really make an impact on our country. So when we steer our what we're doing right now is steering volunteers towards those superstates uh and then giving them ways to get activated in those. So if they're near one, they can go visit them and knock on doors. If they're remote, they can make phone calls, they can write letters to voters, um, and we make it really easy for people to find effective uh proven tactics to make a difference.
Benn Marine 7:44
That's awesome. And and I think for a lot of folks listening, it's important, and and I don't think that this will be a shock to anybody. Uh, this podcast being based out of Maine, we have a large Maine listenership, and I know one of your targets is certainly the state of Maine and uh Senator Collins. And one of the things that I think is Well, let me just stop there. I'm curious if you have any like shout outs that you want to give to Mainers and things that they can do.
Steve Pierce 8:09
Oh, well, come on. I mean, if you are in Maine and a lot of your listeners are, I um I know everyone feels way more passionately about getting rid of Susan Collins than I do, but I feel really passionate about it. And and she continues to disappoint. Um apparently she feels like uh Trump's learned his lesson and uh and you know going through this horrible ordeal will will change his ways. Um but we saw today that he tweeted out this crazy meme of him staying in power forever and ever and ever and ever. You know, obviously this guy's never gonna learn. Uh obviously Susan Collins is gonna continue to be feckless, and you know, we need everyone on the ground there to be you know knocking on doors. Like if you're in Maine and you can go knock on doors and and help uh put a Democrat in that seat, that is uh all of you guys know how important it is. That's one of our prime pickup opportunities, and we need that seat in Maine to take the Senate.
Benn Marine 9:08
Yeah, that's super huge. And actually on that note, I do kind of want to give a shout out to folks that if uh so the the cool thing about here in Maine is we have our primary on Super Tuesday, and folks, if they're not registered to vote, can register right up to that day. However, if you're registered with another party, like if you're registered um with the Green Party, let's say, and you want to change your party, you have to do it 21 days beforehand, and that deadline's coming up, I believe it's February 11th. So folks want to get on top of that if you want to vote in the Democratic. That's really soon. Yeah, it's real soon. Um and I think a lot of folks don't know that um because Maine has such a great kind of voting uh accessibility that sometimes we take the same day voter reg for granted. But when it comes to the primaries, it can um it definitely be a surprise if you were planning to change your party the day of, you won't be able to. Uh so I want to let folks know about that. One of the other things I thought was really interesting about swing left, and I I think this won't come as a surprise to folks. One of the big important things is actually getting folks out to vote, right? And I saw that you guys have this really cool program where it's writing letters to voters. And I and I was curious to hear kind of more about that because I hadn't I like I've seen like voter registration drives and things like that, but um curious to hear more about the like letters to voters.
Steve Pierce 10:24
Sure. And um and this is an opportunity for a lot of people who don't live in Maine to write voters at write letters to voters in Maine. Um if they can't travel there and eat lobster and get rid of Susan Collins, then write some letters. But uh we work with uh um a uh group called Vote Forward. And um there's uh some groups like the Analyst Institute and Voter Participation Project who have done a lot of uh testing on what's effective uh with voter contact. And these uh, you know, GOTV letters, get out the vote letters um to voters, have been really effective. Um and we've been able to do with them what campaigns don't typically do because they're not able to, and that's um uh hold out control groups to really test the efficacy of these letters. So uh what they are is um it's a combination of of this specific kind of language, this um social pressure language that we know works to m to get voters to the polls, uh, combined with um a personal touch from the person who's writing the letter. So the the form letter, there's like a little bit of a form letter, and then there's an area for you to write why you're voting or why it's important to you or why you're volunteering in this. And then you you hand write the letter on the outside to the the address on the outside. Because, you know, if you get a letter in the mail that's like a handwritten to you, you know, you're gonna open that. You're gonna open it up. And uh and what's also really cool about these letters, you know, they're going out to what we call the rising uh electorate, um, the rising American electorate. And these are uh young people who are um eligible to vote for the first time, these are um minorities who have been disenfranchised, who aren't aren't typically reached out to, um, and also people who have moved, who were previously registered as Democrats. Um so uh it's it's a really good target. And a lot of these young people, they're not used to getting letters. Like they it it's a weird thing to get a letter in the mail from someone. So they really like it, you know. Like I'm not quite a young person, so um, I remember when we used to communicate uh via the Postal Service. Um they don't, they get they get a kick out of getting letters, so it's been really effective.
Benn Marine 12:43
That's awesome. Um I'm curious too, with kind of just the the myriad of of things that Swing Left does. I know one of the things or kind of the the central focus is around electing Democrats. I'm curious Is there also kind of room or in the future room for kind of like issue-based advocacy work too? Or are there folks that you partner with around that?
Steve Pierce 13:09
Yeah, uh we do. I mean, uh, and that's that's one thing for the podcast that I'm really excited about, and that's being able to bring on uh advocacy group partners from different organizations and really, you know, highlight and raise up the great work that they're doing. Um that's been really exciting to me and to us at Swing Left to be able to have the opportunity to do that. Um our our tool and our specific work is is strictly electoral based. Uh we also don't get involved in primaries because you know, like the bulk of our volunteers, you know, we have coming from these uh, you know, safely blue areas, and we're sending them to these purple and red areas to um to volunteer, but they don't get a vote in those in those areas, so we don't weigh in on the primaries. Uh we do have uh we do a lot of fundraising uh and we have these really cool funds, like we have a Senate fund, we have a main fund that you can donate to, and that money is held into escrow and then goes to whoever makes it through the primary. Um so that's that's money that's really key to these candidates after they go through a contentious, expensive primary to have that um that cash waiting for them when they get through that. So um, but yeah, we don't do any uh issue advocacy work, but um, you know, we uh had some great guests on the podcast, like uh Jennifer Epps Addison, who's the executive director of the Center for Popular Democracy. She was one of my favorite guests, and um, you know, hearing stories about how people are um doing that issue-based advocacy on the ground, especially in underserved communities, is is really exciting for us to be able to highlight.
Benn Marine 14:45
What are some of your favorite kind of stories or moments that have come out of either your time as a field director at Swing Left or your time on on the podcast, which also I won't I want to call out the name of the podcast for folks that want to look it up is How We Win. Uh so definitely worth checking out, and I'll definitely link to that in the show notes too for folks, so for quick easy access. But so I'm just curious to hear some of you know, maybe kind of to give some folks some hope, especially in light of some of the I mean not shocking but still frustrating news from today and all of that.
Steve Pierce 15:16
Yeah, thanks for the plug. Boy, there's so so many stories. Um, and uh there's a lot of uh, you know, like our our shows, um, just to plug it, you know, we're not the news, we're what you can do about it. So um we always give people clear calls to action every episode, um, ways that they can make an impact. And um and the interviews are based on like again hearing, you know, how people first got into this work to sort of demystify it and and let people know, hey, hey, I can do that. You know, that this person seemed like a superstar, but they just put their foot in the water one day and and got out of their comfort zone a little bit, and now look what they're doing. Um I I'll say uh a story that's really encouraging to me right now uh is uh just goes back to last Wednesday, uh, when the Senate took the vote to um not see any witnesses or um documents in this uh impeachment trial, which can't really be called the trial if you don't have witnesses and documents. Um our website completely blew up in response to that. Uh in fact, at some at at certain points we had over like twenty times the normal traffic on the website. We had a flood of new people signing up with swing left. Um and we raised in 24 hours for the Senate fund um a little over $110,000. Uh Wow. Yeah, it was it was just crazy. So um that was a big silver lining and what's been a really, really tough week to see everyone, first of all, understand the importance of the Senate and why we need to really stay focused on on the Senate and um and that they were showing up and like, okay, I'm gonna get into action, you know. So um that that was really, really cool and really encouraging, and and we certainly need uh encouragement. This last w week has been the longest year of my life.
Benn Marine 17:17
Yeah, that's super real. And I I think um a lot of folks are feeling that. And I'm curious if you have any like with such a large volunteer base and all all the folks that are out there, and even for yourself, like being in this fight since you know, 2016, um what kind of keeps you in the work? How how are you like taking care of yourself or or what are you hearing about folks and and what self-care looks like for them? It it's interesting. Um there was uh I was just at a local organizer gathering and somebody used the language, you know, they said, I'm burnt out, but I'm still burning. And I thought that was such a great way to put that. And I'm always so curious to hear people's strategies around managing burnout.
Steve Pierce 17:59
Yeah, you gotta have a long wick, right? Um that's a really great question. Uh um, I'm not gonna lie, it's the last uh week has been demoralizing, even though like there was zero ambiguity about what the result of this impeachment was going to look like in the Senate. Uh it was just really tough to to watch it play out. Um I uh uh I probably burned myself out more last cycle um in the midterms. I was just, you know, never stopped. I do have a wife and a daughter. Um, as I mentioned, my daughter is 17 and uh as as pressing as all the issues are of the day, um, she's a junior in high school and she's gonna go off to college in a year and a half. And I'm definitely not gonna look back on these, you know, this year and wish that I had spent more time with my daughter, right? So um I do find balance in that. I find balance in the family. I uh I'm kind of a fitness freak. I like to wake up early and go to the gym. That's really, really helpful for my sanity because um for that hour, I'm not thinking about politics. I'm just you know thinking, please don't drop this heavy weight on my head, you know. So um, you know, I find I find places to to you know kind of put things to the side. But I'll say the other thing is doing this work and being with this community of people, um and I'm I'm sure you've found this Ben to be the case, um, there's a lot, there's so much joy in this work, even in dark times. And and the people who are active doing this um, you know, are are really in good spirits most of the time uh because they're into action. I mean, I I mentioned earlier, it's sort of a phrase we use on the show a lot, action's the best anecdote to anxiety. It really, really is. It it feels good to be uh to be doing stuff, uh, to be making an impact. And it allows me to kind of put aside the results to a certain extent because I know there's, you know, here's what I can control. Here's stuff that I can do. So I'm gonna do what I can do. And then the stuff I don't have control over, you know, I I I just I'm able to put that to the side a little bit because I I can't get wrapped up in that, you know. I I um I'm into action and I'm doing what I can. So um it's a great freedom in that. I and I recommend that people just do a little light volunteering, dabble in some volunteering, and uh and you'll find out that it's it's really fun, it's a great community, and you'll you'll feel so much better.
Benn Marine 20:38
I think that's a great call out too, because I know even just for myself, I I I think a huge part of that volunteerism is the community that's built. And I know one of the things that I've kind of always said when it comes to like recruitment is like people will come the first time because they care about a thing, but they're gonna keep coming back for the community that we build there. And I think it's so easy to forget that, right? And I know sometimes even just like myself, like I get lost and like, oh my gosh, like it feels like our you know, democracy is falling apart in all the ways and all the scary things. And you know, you walk into a room and you see 20, 30 people that are all there because they care about a thing and they're all doing it together, and it it just it's so incredible and it's so powerful, and it and I I think it can really um battle some of that, you know, some of the that that darker stuff that's out there.
Steve Pierce 21:31
Absolutely, absolutely. I've um I've been very involved in um, you know, I'm I'm here in Los Angeles, and there's a district CA25 that we flipped. Um we elected Katie Hill to Congress, and you may have heard about her resignation, uh, you know, and and all that went around that. And um, and there's another candidate named Christy Smith who's running up there, and she's a friend. And we launched a canvas uh for her in the city of Palmdale. Um Uh last weekend, had about a hundred people there, and it was all of the organizers from Katie Hill's campaign that I've been working with and I hadn't really seen for a while. And it was so great to see everybody. It was so much fun. I was like, hey, we've got the band back together. Here we go again. And then we're like, oh yeah, we gotta do this again. That's not good. But but we're doing it, and here we are together, you know. Uh it's it's I can't explain it, but people who have jumped in and been part of a campaign in that in that community, uh, there's nothing like it.
Benn Marine 22:32
For sure, for sure. I'm I'm curious in your time organizing since 2016, what are some what have been some of your biggest like aha moments or kind of tips or tricks that you'd want to share with folks who are like, oh my gosh, I did this thing and it made my life so much easier. And if you're an organizer, try this thing.
Steve Pierce 22:50
Hmm. Uh wow, what's what's the thing? Um I would say um the the one thread, because uh, you know, I've had the opportunity through Swing Left to work with a lot of different campaigns and they all organize a little bit differently. Um, you know, if you go out and knock on doors, whoever's sending you out might have different scripts or different goals for that, you know, uh canvas. Um the one thing that I always like to say to people is whatever you're doing when you're talking to uh a voter or talking to someone, find a place to share a little bit of your story and then listen to them and engage with them. And that's a common thread that is is so rewarding and uh you know, by the way, really, really effective. Um, and it gets left out of a lot of our uh I'm doing air quotes quotes right now, quote unquote transactional uh contact that we have with voters. A lot of times campaigns need to get some data about issues or they're you know doing some ID checks for support, and they don't send the volunteers out to say, hey, you know, I'm doing this because, you know, my daughter, and this is this is the case with me, my daughter was a preemie. She was just a pound and a half when she was born, and uh she's a miracle. She, like I said, she's 17, but she has pre-existing conditions because of that. Last night, uh, Trump lied and said that he was protecting pre-existing conditions at during the State of the Union address, while his Justice Department is trying to rip those away from uh the Affordable Care Act. So this work is very personal to me because it's personal to my daughter. But what's what's personal to you? Do you have a similar experience? And you ask that to the person uh that you're talking to. And that's how you really engage with someone, then listen. Um no matter what you're doing, what kind of voter contact you have, you always have, you know, 15, 30 seconds to share your story and listen to theirs.
Benn Marine 24:52
I yeah, I I think that's super powerful too. And I I think sometimes I've seen it where especially I think for beginner folks or maybe knocking doors for the first time, it well, one, it can feel super vulnerable, right? But also sometimes you feel like, oh my gosh, like I have to get through these bits or like they're gonna shut the door in my face. And but once you actually start like sharing your story and you realize, oh wow, like people do want to hear what I have to say, and there is value there. And and you're totally right, like there's so many studies that show it's way more effective in building that that trust and that um and moving voters too, especially on like issue uh issue campaigns for sure.
Steve Pierce 25:31
Right, right. And if you like straight up facts and talks about, you know, policies and stuff, it it it doesn't really work. I mean, you're not gonna move anyone that way. People are people actually dig their heels in more when confronted with facts because um, you know, if you're trying to shake someone out of their tribe, right, um, that's a really dangerous and lonely place to be. So um no matter that's that's why, you know, uh these fact-based arguments don't always work. Um because you know, you people don't want to be alone. They need the comfort of their community that's all buying the same uh I'll s I was gonna say alternative facts, but they're just lies, right? Um so it's it's important to reach people on on a common level, you know, on a level that we all connect with.
Benn Marine 26:19
For sure. For sure, for sure.
Steve Pierce 26:21
Um anyway, also I'll say I'll say one practical tip since you brought up, you know, can't the knocking on doors can be scary. Don't at don't ask for permission when you when you knock on a door. If you're if you're new, you're thinking about canvassing, please do it. That first question on the script, just jump right in with that. Because if you if you ask them if they have a minute to talk to you, the answer is always no.
Benn Marine 26:45
Truth, truth. And especially, I think that's especially true with like street canvassing. It's like if folks are ever doing like street recruitment or like fundraising on the street, it's yeah, totally the same thing. That's a great, great call out for sure.
Steve Pierce 26:57
Because it's the tendency, we're all your listeners are all super polite, nice people, like you know, so they don't want to be like, yeah, I don't want to bother you. So did you have a second? Is it okay to fight talk to you? And the answer is always no. Just jump in with the first question.
Benn Marine 27:10
Yeah, totally. That's awesome. Awesome. Um cool. Any other uh like kind of any other things that you want to share or impart on folks?
Steve Pierce 27:21
I'll just say this. Uh last uh the midterms um for anyone who was involved in that election, uh, it was historic. It was powerful. We had turnout uh that we hadn't seen for midterm election um in many, many, many years. Um it was all due to um volunteers, not just people showing up to vote, but volunteers getting out there and making sure that that there were voters showing up at the polls. Um that was the most important election of our lives. This is the most important election of our lives coming up on November 3rd, 2020. And um while voting is really important, uh, we can't just do that. I'm I'm going to ask you not just to vote, but to volunteer. We need an overwhelming we I mean, Trump has gotten away with everything. I mean, his nickname was Teflon Don. He's never had to pay any consequences for any actions in his entire life. He um just got acquitted by his buddies in the Senate. He's going to cheat. The Republicans are going to disenfranchise. Uh, they are gonna do everything they can to stay in power. So that means we can't just squeak by with this one. We need an overwhelming, resounding victory on November 3rd. And it's gonna take it's gonna take work. It's gonna take everyone jumping in and doing this work. So uh you can go to swingleft.org, throw in your zip code, it'll show you places close by where you can get into action and do meaningful work. Um, please do that. You know, uh share it with your friends. Um check out our podcast. We're we're always giving you um stuff to do. Uh, but if you're on the fence, get off that fence, jump onto the field.
Benn Marine 29:06
Awesome. Love that, love that, love that. Great. Well, thank you so much, Steve, for your time. I really, really appreciate it. This has been super insightful and and super helpful for folks for sure. And I love that it's ending uh with an actionable item. So love that.
Steve Pierce 29:22
There you go. Yeah. Well, thank you so much for the work that you do. And um uh I hope we get the opportunity. I I want to have you come on how we win, and uh, since you're a local expert, we can uh talk about Maine.
Benn Marine 29:36
Yeah, I'd love that. That'd be super fun.
Steve Pierce 29:38
Let's do it.
Benn Marine 29:44
Thank you so much for tuning into this week's episode. Be sure to subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts. And if you're looking for more information on Swing Left or the How We Win podcast, head on over to the oceanoforganizing.com forward slash swing left page, or just remember oceanoforganizing.com and check out the show notes page to find them. Also, uh I'm really excited. I have a ton of content left over from uh 2019 that I just wasn't able to post. Uh, but I'm excited to be bringing you a lot more content. I'm doing more recording and we'll be uh releasing new content every week for the foreseeable future. So uh thank you so much. I truly appreciate you and all the work that you do out in the world. Be gentle with yourselves and be well.
